Here is a very interesting exchange about the philosophy of the guru tattva, honesty, and many other topics related to the ISKCON mafia.

Question

Hare Krsna prabhu. Dandwat pranams! I went through your website and found that you are someone who understands the truth. After reading some of Prabhupada’s small books and Gita and listening to his lectures , I have come to the conclusion that the only guru in iskcon who has not deviated is Bhakti Vikas Maharaj. The other gurus have all deviated even if a little ( although they still chant 16 rounds). And also Bhakti Vikas Maharaj addresses topics which need to be addressed but are not addressed by other devotees.
Btw my name is X Y and I am from Z, India. I am going to join college at the end of this year but what I fear is that I won’t get the association of Bhakti Vikas Maharaj ( because he is based mainly in Salem and Vellore). My question to you was that what should I get my college in somewhere like Delhi? Although there we have great devotees like Gopal Krsna Maharaj and Mohanrupa Prabhu, I don’t trust them 100% because they don’t preach like BVS. And in almost every iskcon we have iskcon youth forum, where we have discussion on topics like mind management, anger management, bogus yoga and everything but Krsna (or even if you have Krsna, it is very indirect). So if I am settled in Delhi and associate with such devotees I may have to listen to all of their orders ( which may include preaching things like stress management, relationship advice , personality development etc. which I don’t want to because I want to directly preach about Krsna consciousness). So Prabhu please may you suggest some solution? I emailed you because I found you like minded just like BVS and Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krsna

Hanuman replies

Hare Krishna

Hare Krsna prabhu. Dandwat pranams! I went through your website and found that you are someone who understands the truth. After reading some of Prabhupada’s small books and Gita and listening to his lectures , I have come to the conclusion that the only guru in iskcon who has not deviated is Bhakti Vikas Maharaj. The other gurus have all deviated even if a little ( although they still chant 16 rounds). And also Bhakti Vikas Maharaj addresses topics which need to be addressed but are not addressed by other devotees.

Yes, but why would real guru keep the association with fake gurus and live in their society? Would a real guru take orders from a corrupt GBC body?

Btw my name is X Y and I am from Z, India. I am going to join college at the end of this year but what I fear is that I won’t get the association of Bhakti Vikas Maharaj ( because he is based mainly in Salem and Vellore). My question to you was that what should I get my college in somewhere like Delhi? Although there we have great devotees like Gopal Krsna Maharaj and Mohanrupa Prabhu, I don’t trust them 100% because they don’t preach like BVS. And in almost every iskcon we have iskcon youth forum, where we have discussion on topics like mind management, anger management, bogus yoga and everything but Krsna (or even if you have Krsna, it is very indirect). So if I am settled in Delhi and associate with such devotees I may have to listen to all of their orders ( which may include preaching things like stress management, relationship advice , personality development etc. which I don’t want to because I want to directly preach about Krsna consciousness). So Prabhu please may you suggest some solution? I emailed you because I found you like minded just like BVS and Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krsna

When devotees make spiritual advancement, they are not interested in mundane topics such as mind management and anger management. The only way to conquer the mind and control anger is to discuss transcendental topics of Krishna consciousness.

If you want to preach Krishna consciousness, first you need to establish yourself firmly in Krishna consciousness. The best way to do it is to read Srila Prabhupada’s books and listen to his lectures. Otherwise, you might start preaching nonsense like other people from the youth forum.

I can’t tell you where to go to college, because nonsense people are everywhere. It is very hard to find a genuine devotee in this world.

ys Hanuman das

Another question

Prabhu you said that Bhakti Vikas Maharaj should not be staying in the association of false gurus, but he is in a very difficult situation. He anyways stays with like minded devotees in Tamil Nadu and preaches from there. I don’t understand how it is going to help if Maharaj separates himself from iskcon and starts another organisation because he can continue with his strong preaching while being in iskcon and staying away from the bogus gurus. But overall Maharaj seems like an ideal representative of Prabhupada and I want to take diksa from him because I see no other guru worth taking diksa from. Your opinions?

Hanuman responds

Another question

Hanuman responds

You can try to stay in ISKCON and see how it goes.

Intelligent people become fed up with iskcon very quickly.

But if one is happy in iskcon, then he should stay in iskcon because he can’t understand anything beyond corporate religion.

Ys Hanuman das

Another question

Prabhu what other option is there except iskcon? Gaudiya math is also not worth it. And I also don’t want to leave Prabhupada. And I also can’t join the ritviks. So what option is there Prabhu?
And I think that if I associate with BVS and his disciples and try to stay away from the rest of iskcon then there won’t be a problem. Because although BVS is part of iskcon, he hasn’t deviated from Prabhupada philosophically and in his way of preaching. So he seems like the only guru worth taking diksa from.

Hanuman das responds

Krishna consciousness is not based on a membership card. People often think “I have to be in ISKCON, or rtvik or gaudiya Math camp”. You don’t have to. Krishna doesn’t care about your membership card.

When you get a corporate initiation like ISKCON initiation your real guru is the GBC. And your diksa guru is like a middleman who connects you with the corporation. And his main task is to keep you quiet so you don’t spoil the corporation’s income. This is why ISKCON gurus are telling you all the time “not to criticize”. An honest man doesn’t have the need to tell everybody all the time not to criticize. Because there is nothing to criticize. But mafia guys have a lot to hide, and therefore they are always preaching that criticism is bad, and they don’t have any idea that justified criticism is actually very important in keeping society honest. So, when a middleman gives the lecture, you never know if he is speaking the philosophy that he wants to speak, or the philosophy that he is forced to speak. This issue came up with Bhakti Vikasa Swami many times, he started speaking something which is not in the interest of the corporation, and then he had to make all kinds of apologetic lectures, and even had to write an apology to mayavadi Radhanath Swami. Also, here in Croatia, Bhakti Vikasa Swami gave instructions to his disciple who wanted to leave the corrupt organization. He gave him direct order “to stay in the wonderful association of devotees in temple Zagreb”. Those “wonderful devotees” are actually disciples of a sannyasi with a girlfriend, Sacinandana Swami. They were also engaged in a Forex scam, the main preacher remarried three times and constantly preaches psychological nonsense about how we have to forgive ourselves. But, BVKS had to give such an instruction because he is ultimately a corporate official. If you are happy with such a corporate guru who is under the control of the mafia, then you can take initiation from him. However, that is not the teaching of Srila Prabhupada to take corporate initiation from a corporate guru who is constantly entering into a fight with the GBC and constantly getting chastised. Srila Prabhupada writes:

It is also an offense to consider an empowered Vaiṣṇava an object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him advice or to correct him. One can distinguish between a neophyte Vaiṣṇava and an advanced Vaiṣṇava by their activities. The advanced Vaiṣṇava is always situated as the spiritual master, and the neophyte is always considered his disciple. The spiritual master must not be subjected to the advice of a disciple, nor should a spiritual master be obliged to take instructions from those who are not his disciples. This is the sum and substance of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī’s advice in the sixth verse. (Nectar of Instruction 6, purport)

This is exactly what GBC is doing to the so-called ISKCON gurus. GBC is constantly warning, suspending and removing ISKCON gurus which shows us who is the real boss. Therefore, ISKCON gurus are not real gurus, rather, they are the puppies of the GBC mafia. So, you might think that you have become a disciple of BVKS, but you didn’t, because the real guru is independent and not subject to any influence or disciplinary action. This whole BVKS scheme is resting on the philosophy of “honest mafia man”. Everybody knows that honest mafia man doesn’t exist, just like Santa Claus doesn’t exist. If you are honest, then your first step is to leave the mafia so that people do not identify you with the mafia.

But “ISKCON gurus” exist because of only one reason and that is to fulfill the needs of “ISKCON disciples”. And ISKCON disciples want to buy their way home back to Godhead through joining the mafia organization. Becoming an ISKCON disciple means you are willing to lie, willing to cheat, willing to prosecute anybody who is actually telling the truth, willing to dismiss any honest attempt to reform things. In this way, ISKCON disciples are deluding both themselves and others. Being a member of the dishonest cheating religion can never help you going back home back to Godhead.

So, you are asking me what is the alternative? If ISKCON is not good, gaudiya math is not good and rtviks are not good, where should you join? Well, the alternative is to remain sincere and honest and to practice Krishna consciousness honestly without compromising your integrity through a mafia-like organization and becoming a groupie girl of some “honest mafia man” who is not willing to speak the full truth openly. One thing is sure, if you join ISKCON, you will not be able to speak freely ever again, you will have to smile and offer obeisances to mayavadis like Radhanath baba and glorify the mafia temple in Mayapur where homosexual pedophile Bhavananda is the director. If that is something you want to join, then you can join and worship honest mafia man Bhakti Vikasa Swami, who will instruct you to remain in the “wonderful association” of ISKCON corrupt mafia devotees, but I am not buying this fairy tale.

So, my question is what is your level of intelligence? You are constantly asking me what organization to join, but your primary concern should be to remain an honest and sincere person. And that is of course not possible by becoming a follower of the honest mafia.

ys Hanuman das